It was a privilege to speak with the brilliant and genial Dr. Pete Kelly on his podcast about music as a tool in psychotherapy. In a wide-ranging discussion we explored:

• music as a tool to evoke and access emotions and spiritual experiences
• the psychological life of opera singers and my research on peak experience while performing
• the emotional transaction between performer and audience
• translating learnings from peak experience in the performing arts to the therapeutic domain
• consideration of the evolutionary significance of peak experience and the utility for exploring one's sense of self
• reflections on providing therapy to highly creative individuals
• a brief meditation on the beauty of the human voice
• the appeal and utility of depth psychology, especially in tolerating internal dissonance
• the unique challenges and opportunity of the mid-life passage

Listen to the podcast here:

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1HlsMnj7yPtDQ6GDC3bjfw?si=75f65ba130c246b9

Apple music: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/thoughts-on-record-podcast-of-the-ottawa/id1505402925